This is an interesting conversation I had with a friend over text. Published here with permission because we think it will be of interest to people who live in or travel to Southwest Oregon.
“Ashland, Oregon to Montague, California not being operated due to pricing actions. There is a general concern among some shippers that the line is at risk if business doesn’t resume.”
Friend: It’s not a good line. It was built cheaply for land grants, and it will be expensive to operate.
Me: Douglas County is expensive to build in, no matter what. Whether we connect the country with highways or rail just comes down to priorities. If we wanted to improve the railroad to Ashland, Oregon, we would.
The Klamath line’s advantage is that the land is much flatter on that side of the Pacific Crest. The disadvantage is that only 40,000 people live in all of Klamath County, so it is only about California.
The additional time it takes to get from Roseburg, Grants Pass, and Medford to Klamath County makes it not useful for most people in Southern Oregon. It would take too long for a private company to invest, and when UP can undercut the Class III railroad if it improves its infrastructure, there will never be an incentive for a Class II or III railroad to improve its tracks in most circumstances. So, they fall into disrepair, get bought out, and then are reliably abandoned.
In most countries, the usual option is to nationalize the railroads and use the profits to improve the tracks nationwide.
Friend: (The other option, the one we consistently do is the most expensive, and that is for) ODOT to constantly spend Connect Oregon money on reopening the line between Ashland and Montague.
Friend: It would never make sense to use that line for travel between Redding and Eugene without billions of dollars of investment.
Me: But I think the most beneficial thing would be to improve the line between Medford and Eugene to make it useful. The railroad through Medford is mostly only useful for people in Southern Oregon going to California, otherwise go through Klamabama (local lingo for Klamath Falls).
Me: Now… if the entire line from Montague to Eugene was brought up to take less time than the route going through Klamabama, then the route will become the more valuable of the two for multiple reasons: more people, shorter route, more industry, just a better route overall.
Friend: In the short run we can extend Cascades to Ashland, but I am comfortable forcing a transfer (to air or bus) for the foreseeable future in order to get south from there, and the Klamabama route can be kept around as a bypass for freight.
Me: If the Klamabama route is improved as well it will always be faster. We absolutely have enough demand to run both Cascades to Ashland and Coast Starlight through Klamabama.
Friend: Potentially get CORP more powerful locomotives, so they can compete better with road and have more motivation to keep their line better maintained as well.
Me: As long as they pay the investment back, sure. The inherent efficiency of rail vs road should be enough to be honest. They probably feel like its not worth the investment since they probably already are cheaper per km than freight via I-5, so no pressure to improve. Which for freight is fine… but people exist. So the state has to step in and get it improved to the point where the time is on par or faster than I-5, which already is a very slow section of freeway because of topography.
I wish openrailwaymap had speed information for CORP. I wonder how expensive it would be just to expand to Roseburg, which is north of the most hairy sections of track. It’s clearly the Roseburg-Glendale section in particular which causes the problem. Which is the most expensive to fix, the rest of the track isn’t that terrible at least looking at it on the map, which is also of course the most mountainous part of the route. f Cascades went as far as Roseburg, then having a bus at least temporarily to Grants Pass, Medford, and Ashland would be far more appealing.
Friend: It’s old, and I thought I saw Roseburg to Eugene capable of 40 mph, but I don’t remember any big rebuilding project more recently than this.
Me: yeah, that maximum authorized speed of 25 MPH is a killer. I’m sure it could be made capable of 60 MPH from Eugene to Roseburg and Ashland to Grants Pass, and that should be able to be done in a way that the benefits outweigh the costs. I’m not too concerned about the connection to Weed. If we could get that up to a higher speed, that’s great, but that will be the most expensive section of all.
So in order:
- Start with Ashland – Grants Pass, which is mostly level, even the mountain pass from Medford to Grants Pass is wide and not too bad.
- Then Eugene – Roseburg, as the second priority which is a little more hilly than Grants Pass – Medford, but not by much.
Getting those two sections done properly will be very beneficial for Southern Oregon.
Weed is a nice to have once the rest of the line is improved.
It’s easiest to think of it as river basins, which mostly lines up with counties except how both Josephine and Jackson are both mostly in the Rogue River Valley.
Contours.axismaps
This is the best contour map I have ever found online. What makes getting between the Umpqua and Rogue basins so difficult is the rivers go mostly east-west but we want the train to go north-south.
Honestly, Ashland – Weed is likely easier to improve compared to Canyonville – Grants Pass
While Ashland – Weed is taller, Canyonville – Weed has a much longer distance of mountainous terrain.
Friend: I mean even at the time of construction the line was advertised more as being scenic than being fast. The deviation through Cow Creek canyon was frequently used in advertising.
Me: I’m sure its a very pretty ride, and its ok if that section stays scenic, there’s no way to make it rapid, but the rest of the section has a lot of utility. Sure, maybe not NEC levels, but still useful enough to be worth investing in.
Friend: Yeah, I mean bypassing cow Creek canyon along I-5 wouldn’t be the hardest thing but there’s plenty of other speed up to do first.
Me: Odell Lake elevation: 1475 meters. Rail tunnel south of Ashland elevation: 1239 meters.
Friend: Probably why there’s a massive loop in the track near Odell Lake
Me: Exactly, but its interesting how the track we currently use reaches a higher elevation than the track which goes through Medford.
Friend: The stretch through the Cascades was built first, before it was bought out by Southern Pacific I believe, amd I believe a portion of that started as a logging railroad.
Me: So that would have been before there was more population in Douglas, Josephine, and Jackson counties than Klamath falls, or at least the differential was much larger. Pretty much all the railroads in the region were originally for logging and mining I believe.
Friend: Not really, the Siskiyou subdivision wasn’t. Hauling logs, hell yes but land grant railroads were usually built more passenger centric since the governmental incentive tried to prevent the land being used purely for industry.
Me: So mostly then about moving white people into the area.
Friend: “Civilizing” the native people.
Me: That also explains why Medford is bigger than Klamtucky (another euphemism for Klamath Falls).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_and_California_Railroad
So the government promised the railroads all these lands, and then claimed them in eminent domain. In response to fraud by the railroad. Imagine… massive megacorporation in lands the government has barely any control over commits fraud. Who could have expected that?!
Friend: Basically they sold the land to corporate interests rather than farming interests.
Me: Contrary to what the law said, which is fraud.
Friend: Yep.
Me: We should have bought out the railroad and let the O&C become a logging company. That would have been hill areas. Nyanyanya, hurhurhur.
Another interesting factoid… both the CORP and Klamtucky railroads were both owned by SPR. I’m guessing SP divested from the Medford route in favor of the Klamtucky route, which is definitely better than what happened to the railroad in Alger, Washington.
Friend: I mean they bypassed the Medford route by building the Klamabama route. There’s a reason why it’s faster to take US 97 and OR 58 than take I-5 between Weed and Eugene.
Me: I see. They built Klamabama in 1905. Medford was selected as right-of-way for OCR in 1883. Ashland received the railroad in 1887. I assume that when the Klamabama route was built, they expected it to prosper and grow, but it never did.
Friend: Nope, I think they believed it was more important to get between Redding and Eugene than to get to Ashland or Medford. I don’t think Union Pacific regrets the bypass one bit.
Me: Otherwise, they would have kept the original track.
Friend: I can’t remember if they sold it or leased it.
Me: They sold it to CORP in 1995, and it was still Southern Pacific at that point, which was divided and bought out in 1996.
Friend: I mean, I knew that SP sold to UP after first doing some weird shit with the Denver and Rio Grande Western.
Me: They had such a strong network in California, amazing how they had financial problems.
Friend: I know, right? Monopolies shouldn’t go bankrupt like that 😛
Me: Including both the Coast Starlight track, and the track running from Sacramento to LA. Yup, that’s my entire point on how the entire model is broken to the core.
Friend: Almost as if the transportation utility rather than the transportation technology creates the value.
Me: Exactly, we should just walk everywhere since mode doesn’t matter. 😛
Friend: Walking has a lot of transportation utility, many people can do it and it doesn’t cost much to furnish to the consumers of it.
Me: Absolutely. But since utility is the root of all demand…demand is a fancy way of saying utility, which is a fancy way of saying valuable.
Then we started to talk about other issues…
But…
City |
Elevation |
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Portland |
9 |
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Salem |
51 |
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Albany |
66 |
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Eugene |
132 |
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Sutherlin |
158 |
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Roseburg |
143 |
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Myrtle Creek |
184 |
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Riddle |
218 |
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Glendale |
433 |
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Merlin |
277 |
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Grants Pass |
284 |
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Rogue River |
305 |
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Medford |
414 |
Klamath Falls |
1372 |
Ashland |
571 |
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First switchback |
931 |
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Second switchback |
1066 |
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Third switchback |
1196 |
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tunnel |
1239 |
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Colestin |
1135 |
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California border |
882 |
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Hornbrook |
658 |
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Montague |
775 |
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Weed |
1046 |
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Mt Shasta |
1077 |
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Dunsmuir |
691 |
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Lakeshore |
331 |
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Redding |
170 |
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The Medford route never reaches an elevation as high as Klamath Falls; the main issue is that the route is very windy. The highest point between Eugene and Ashland is Ashland.
References:
https://www.oregon.gov/odot/RPTD/RPTD%20Document%20Library/Oregon-Rail-Study-2010.pdf
https://wx4.org/to/foam/maps/2-Perry/020/2006-05-14CORP10-Perry.pdf